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How do the Flashman books fit into this trend?

Postby rwk » Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:37 pm

Where do George MacDonald Fraser's Flashman books fit into this picture? The first one was published in 1969. They're not so much an alternate POV as the further adventures of a minor character from a classic work. Although Flashman and the Tiger is, I believe, an alternate POV retelling of a Doyle Sherlock Holmes adventure.
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Postby ArtVark » Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:41 pm

Cynthia wrote:
ArtVark wrote:
Ken Jennings wrote:Just to further threadjack the threadjack: I like sequel songs ("Peggy Sue Got Married," "Judy's Turn to Cry") better than answer songs.


Since we're now talking about Sequel songs, how about Harry Chapin's song "Sequel" a follow up ten years later to "Taxi"


I wanted to love it but just couldn't. In Taxi Harry driving off into the night with Sue's 20 bucks in his pocket was such a powerful denouement the Sequel just fizzled for me.


I agree. I just brought Sequel up as an example.

"And she gave me twenty dollars for a two fifty fare and said 'Harry. You can keep the change'"
"Now another man might have been angry,
And another man might have been hurt.
But another man never would have let her go,
I stuffed the bill in my shirt."

Those are great lyrics.
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Postby Tracy » Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:48 pm

Mary Renault's The King Must Die, a retelling of the Perseus myth, was published in 1958 with a second volume, The Bull from the Sea, in 1962. Doesn't Tom Brown make an appearance in one of the Flashman books?

I think "It Wasn't God Who Made Honky Tonk Angels" by Kitty Wells was more famous that the song it answered.
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Postby bwouns » Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:19 pm

Noveltoons wrote:
In most cases, the answer song is viewed as a novelty and held in lower regard than the original song.


One huge exception: Sweet Home Alabama, a retort to Neil Young's Southern Man


Did anyone notice that the Neil Young/Sweet Home Alabama was referenced in a Jeopardy clue today?
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Postby econgator » Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:29 pm

bwouns wrote:
Noveltoons wrote:
In most cases, the answer song is viewed as a novelty and held in lower regard than the original song.


One huge exception: Sweet Home Alabama, a retort to Neil Young's Southern Man


Did anyone notice that the Neil Young/Sweet Home Alabama was referenced in a Jeopardy clue today?


Indeed I did. Got a chuckle out of it when I heard it.
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Postby TheConfessor » Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:00 pm

I'd be interested in reading an "answer book" to Brainiac, written from the perspective of Alex Trebek, or Nancy Zerg, or Earl.
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Postby Noveltoons » Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:04 am

Did anyone notice that the Neil Young/Sweet Home Alabama was referenced in a Jeopardy clue today?


I did! He performed it live??

"Well I heard me sing about her,
And I heard ol' me put her down..."

(That fits in with this thread: songs resung from the perspective of someone other than the original singer.)
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Postby Eric J » Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:40 am

Back to the original thread for a moment, I'm also reminded of the Pseudepigrapha, books usually redacted from the Bible, which purported to be written by a Biblical figure or about their lives. The Book of Enoch is one example, and I believe there is a Book of Adam as well.
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Postby WhitePhantom » Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:01 pm

Where would Snowball's Chance fit in? That's not a spinoff so much as an "alternate history" of sorts-- what if Snowball had taken power in Animal Farm instead of Napolean? (I think this book may have also led to a lawsuit.)
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Postby Ken Jennings » Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:46 pm

Never heard of Snowball's Chance. It sounds like the kind of book that might have been written by working backwards from a great title.
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Postby bebe » Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:21 am

Ken Jennings wrote:
kevbot wrote:I was going to mention The March, which comes out of Little Women. It won the Pulitzer last year, which I found startling.


March, the Alcott pastiche, is not The March, the Doctorow book. Though they're both about the Civil War.

Also, Hamlet and Faulkner's The Hamlet are two different books.


But it was Brooks's March, the pastiche, not Doctorow's The March, that won the 2006 Pulitzer.
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Postby Ken Jennings » Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:49 pm

bebe wrote:But it was Brooks's March, the pastiche, not Doctorow's The March, that won the 2006 Pulitzer.


Oops, my bad.
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Postby TomK » Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:24 pm

bwouns wrote:
Noveltoons wrote:
In most cases, the answer song is viewed as a novelty and held in lower regard than the original song.


One huge exception: Sweet Home Alabama, a retort to Neil Young's Southern Man


Did anyone notice that the Neil Young/Sweet Home Alabama was referenced in a Jeopardy clue today?


Which leads to another connection:

Which Warren Zevon song referenced "SHA":

"Sweet Home Alabama!
Play that dead band's song!"
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Postby econgator » Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:33 pm

TomK wrote:Which leads to another connection:

Which Warren Zevon song referenced "SHA":

"Sweet Home Alabama!
Play that dead band's song!"


I love Warren Zevon, may he rest in peace. The song is "Play it all Night Long".
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