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Postby skullturfq » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:44 am

The songs

"Walk On The Wild Side" by Lou Reed
"War Pigs" by Black Sabbath

have an interesting and unusual feature in common. Can anyone figure out what I'm referring to, and can you help me think of other examples?
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Re: Popular music question

Postby skullturfq » Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:18 am

skullturfq wrote:The songs

"Walk On The Wild Side" by Lou Reed
"War Pigs" by Black Sabbath

have an interesting and unusual feature in common. Can anyone figure out what I'm referring to, and can you help me think of other examples?


A fairly strong hint: It relates to the lyrics, as opposed to more "incidental" things like year of release, album cover art, other people's references or parodies, and so forth.
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Postby Bill » Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:44 am

I think I have the theme, but I'm having trouble finding another example.

"One Night in Bangkok" comes close, but I don't think it's quite what you're looking for.
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Postby skullturfq » Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:55 am

"Caroline Says I", by Lou Reed, almost qualifies for my original list.

Another way that songs can sort-of-qualify (but not in quite the way I was originally thinking) appears in "My Bologna" by Weird Al Yankovic, and in a Jonathan Coulton song I'll be listening to this weekend.
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Postby skullturfq » Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:59 am

Clarification: "Caroline Says" qualifies in the same way "One Night in Bangkok" does.

"My Bologna" and the Coulton song qualify in a different way, but in the same way as each other.
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Postby marpocky » Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:56 pm

I've looked at the lyrics to all the songs mentioned, and I don't really see a connection other than that a few of them mention

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chess or chess pieces.
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Postby skullturfq » Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:00 pm

marpocky wrote:I've looked at the lyrics to all the songs mentioned, and I don't really see a connection other than that a few of them mention

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chess or chess pieces.


Nope.

Look at the lyrics in a less detail-oriented way. Or listen to them.
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Postby Bill » Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:33 pm

I think I can add "The More You Ignore Me Closer I Get" by Morrissey.

And if I fully understand your theme, I cannot add "Hey Jude" by The Beatles.
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Postby skullturfq » Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:06 pm

Bill wrote:I think I can add "The More You Ignore Me Closer I Get" by Morrissey.


I wasn't familiar with that song, but if you're referring to (near giveaway in white) what he does with the word "bar", I kind of like it. An interesting case.

I'm not totally sure I know what you're getting at with "Hey Jude".
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Re: Popular music question

Postby rkd » Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:08 pm

skullturfq wrote:
skullturfq wrote:The songs

"Walk On The Wild Side" by Lou Reed
"War Pigs" by Black Sabbath

have an interesting and unusual feature in common. Can anyone figure out what I'm referring to, and can you help me think of other examples?


A fairly strong hint: It relates to the lyrics, as opposed to more "incidental" things like year of release, album cover art, other people's references or parodies, and so forth.


Dang -- given the date you posted this, I thought it was something about Walpurgisnacht. Just figured it out, but I don't have any other examples yet.
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Postby rkd » Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:47 pm

How about "How to Save a Life" by The Fray? Probably not a perfect fit, but it's close.
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Postby glasser » Mon May 03, 2010 7:36 am

OK, I've been stuck on this for days now... any chance of a hint? :)
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Postby grodney » Mon May 03, 2010 8:24 am

Skull, last time this came up, you provided "Romeo and Juliet" by Dire Straits as an answer (as well as "War Pigs").

I provided "Wanted Dead or Alive" by Bon Jovi, which has been my personal favorite for a very long time. Also, probably "Sexy Back" by Justin Timberlake.

Edit: "Pass the Mic" by Beastie Boys might count multiple times! But much like "Sexy Back", it's such a mess, I can't tell for sure. I found it by googling for similar conversations, by the way.
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Postby skullturfq » Mon May 03, 2010 9:53 am

I can't think of a good hint, and furthermore it seems like we covered this topic in the past, so the answer is in white below.

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The songs I mentioned rhyme a word with itself.

"War Pigs" rhymes "masses" with "masses", and "Walk on the Wild Side" rhymes "head" with "head".

The variations: "Caroline Says" rhymes "vial" with "vile", and "One Night in Bangkok" rhymes "sweet" with "suite". "My Bologna" rhymes "this bologna" with "miss bologna", and "First of May" rhymes "ants off" with "pants off".
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Postby marpocky » Mon May 03, 2010 11:02 am

I actually considered that, but I thought it was way too broad to only be able to come up with a few examples.
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Postby j » Mon May 03, 2010 11:47 am

Eminem's "Without Me" qualifies for this, as well.
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Postby CellBlock » Mon May 03, 2010 1:03 pm

j wrote:Eminem's "Without Me" qualifies for this, as well.


As does "The Way I Am"
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Postby Bill » Mon May 03, 2010 4:12 pm

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Okay, I had that much, but I thought you were looking for cases in which the two instances of the words have different meanings.

This is certainly true for both "War Pigs" and "Walk on the Wild Side." It's also true of "bar" in the Morrissey song, but not "better" in "Hey Jude."

Also, "My Bologna" may qualify elsewhere in the song, but I would argue that rhyming "this bologna" with "miss bologna"
is completely kosher, assuming the bologna is.
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Postby skullturfq » Mon May 03, 2010 4:30 pm

Bill wrote:-


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Okay, I had that much, but I thought you were looking for cases in which the two instances of the words have different meanings.


I do consider those to be my favorite examples, but I didn't have the criterion phrased carefully in my head.
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Postby grodney » Tue May 04, 2010 6:42 am

The Bon Jovi one also uses two different meanings for rhyming "back" with "back".

I think I like the One Night in Bangkok example better than the others. Different class, yes, but somehow cooler to me.
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Postby skullturfq » Tue May 04, 2010 7:00 am

I also like the close juxtaposition of "Some are set up" and "Somerset Maugham".
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Postby marpocky » Tue May 04, 2010 7:35 am

That whole song is full of wonderful non-traditional rhymes.

when you - venue
tourist - purest
would a - Buddha
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Postby grodney » Tue May 04, 2010 8:13 am

marpocky wrote:That whole song is full of wonderful non-traditional rhymes.

when you - venue
tourist - purest
would a - Buddha


I'd never really stopped to notice before.

"in a" - Brynner (Brynnah)

Beautiful!
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Re: Popular music question

Postby rkd » Sun Aug 17, 2014 9:29 pm

Bringing back an old thread ... CCR's "Wrote a Song for Everyone" is another example. Took me a mere 4.3 years to think of that one.
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